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Removing Outlook 2003’s Dependence on Windows Messenger

If you are like me, you hate the fact the there are 2 Microsoft Messenger clients, one labeled Windows Messenger and another called MSN Messenger.  Rory had a good thread on how to remove Windows Messenger (which is a pain to do), but it seems to always come back, or is needed for some security patch.  So, I have tried to learn to live with Windows Messenger, and remove all program dependences on it.  Outlook and Outlook Express seem to be the biggest offenders to starting up Windows Messenger, even though I never ask it to do that.  In Outlook Express 6 you can disable its dependence on Windows Messenger thru the Options Form.  In the General Tab, in the General Section the last option box is labeled “Automatically log on to Windows Messenger”.  If you remove the check, Windows Messenger will not start (but I’ve noticed that occasionally it will come back when you install some OE security patches).

The other, and more difficult to find, source of Windows Messenger mysteriously starting up is Outlook 2003.  I just downloaded and install the latest XP SP2 security patches (and a Outlook Express patch) and Windows Messenger started up on its own again.  I had to hunt around in Outlook but I finally think I found the culprit.  If you go to the Options Form and select the Other tab, the last section is labeled Person Names.  If you uncheck the “Enable the Person Names Smart Tag” option, Outlook will no longer mysteriously start up Windows Messenger.  The only way I figured out to try this option is that the icon next to the option looks a lot like the Windows Messenger icon.  I don’t know how the average person is supposed to know that this implicitly will start up another program, but there is it.

Published Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:15 AM by donxml
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Promt free and happy. said:

Thankyou. This is an elegant quick fix. Even though I have never signed in to Windows Messenger recently it has been constantly asking me to update every time I opened Outlook Express. I'd love to get rid of the annoying Windows Messenger Icon in the system tray but I am not confident enough to try editing the registry. I'm just happy that this fix has made the pesky prompt has go away.
January 23, 2005 6:54 PM

Phil said:

Thanks so much for the Outlook 2003 fix. What an annoyance!!!
March 2, 2005 11:51 PM

jayson knight said:

Thank god for this post...WinMessenger was driving me nuts!
March 21, 2005 4:52 AM

BDL said:

Thank you. by the way, my OE's address book does not come up and it keeps saying there's an error and that OE is not installed properly. I am still able to receive messages but not send, as the email address's depend on the OE's address book that does not function correctly.

jdj_sasha@yahoo.com
December 20, 2005 8:13 AM

Thomas said:

Thank you for this fix. The less someone has to edit the registry to try and fix something, the better.
January 15, 2006 6:47 PM

Ezra said:

There is a way to leave windows messenger installed and still prevent it from running when outlook express starts without editing the registry. If you download AIM or YIM and set it as the "default instant messanger" AIM or YIM will automatically start when you run Outlook Express instead of windows messenger. Next, uncheck the "default instant messanger" and volia!! There is no longer a "default instant messanger" and Outlook starts like a charm.
March 29, 2006 1:15 PM

Patrick said:

Thx for the clue on the fix on Outlook 2003...

But I found that removing the checkmark below it stopped Windows Messenger from firing up for me...

The check box I disabled was:

Display Messenger Status in the From feild
May 3, 2006 7:59 AM

Dylan Carlson said:

Thank you! How aggravating...
May 7, 2006 8:57 PM

Rawdyn said:

I too had arrived at your conclusion based on the look of the icon. Nice to see I am not the only person to figure out Microsoft's interface based on the style of their icons... idiots.

I am running Windows 2000 Professional, Outlook 2003 and the current version of MSN Messenger.

Unchecking the Person Names box allows me to now close MSN Messenger without having to first close Outlook.

Thanks!
June 1, 2006 12:18 AM

Alicia said:

Well, I think you should always have up to date email backups. I used to do it manually by saving the .dbx files, until I found <a href="http://www.amicutilities.com/outlook-express-backup/">Outlook Express Backup Genie</a> that does it automatically at regular times.

I choused it over other because it can work with both MS Outlook and Outlook Express

Alicia
July 29, 2006 8:21 PM

AV-Guy said:

Under Administrative Tools - Click "Services" and look for Messenger.

Double click "Messenger" and the properties dialog box will appear.

Change the Startup type: to "Disabled" and Messenger should no longer start for any reason.

I have not found this to effect the behaviour of any other software and it remains disabled even after updates etc.

AV-Guy
September 12, 2006 11:38 AM

Michael said:

I know that this post is old, however thanks Don! I just loaded Office 2003 and found this problem. AV-Guy: The steps that you described do not resolve the problem with Outlook starting MSN Messenger. Microsoft also calls their MSN Messenger "Windows Messenger". It's not the same as the Services "Windows Messager". You can disable the service as mentioned, however it has not effect on the MSN Messenger process being started as mentioned in this post. Michael
September 23, 2006 1:44 PM

Michael 2 said:

I've tried clearing the "Enable the Person Names Smart Tag" in Outlook 2003 with SP2 and it did not resolving my (actually my wife's) problem. This is only occuring with one of the email accounts that she has somehow set up/pointed to a non-existent MS passport account. Anyone have a soloution?
November 18, 2006 11:01 PM

Paul Hutchinson’s Blog » Blog Archive » Outlook 2003 Annoyances and fixes said:

PingBack from http://paulhutch.com/wordpress/?p=8
December 9, 2006 12:22 AM

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